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  • #1006
    alcsd
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    I know the NBA is evolving and the Heat shows that with their position-less players.  It works because they have high IQ Lebron.

     

     

     

     

     

    #1007
    alcsd
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    Read and react system is not complex to learn at all and Howard is still struggling with it.

    #1011
    alcsd
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    Fast pace is fun to watch especially if the ball is moving, but won’t do in the post season.

    The head coach must be able to make adjustments on the fly.  The only reason Heat was able to get away with in between games was due to Lebron. Meaning certain games were won because of him and not because of the coach, therefore, there is a bit of cushion to make adjustments with in between games.

     

     

     

    #1013
    etane
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    Hey: Just read your first post here.  It’s a riveting read.  Question though, how do you come to your conclusions about Finch being the “electrical engineer” type?

    I wonder how much clout he has as the offensive assistant coach on the team when, according to his own interview, read and react plays are called for but iso harden plays are actually run which means the team and/or mcphail doesn’t listen to Finch.  So, yes I can see that he’s passive and that could be a result of him lacking NBA experience hence gravitas since his direct “supervisor” is a HOFer.  Not sure whether he’s an electrical engineer type though because haven’t seen him at the helm.  However, I’d imagine people who run read and react systems are either not very outside of the box thinking types or extremely outside the box thinking type depending on how it’s implemented.  And, very very limited times back when Patterson was on the team, the read and react looked like gold.  Most other times, it just looks very high school.

    And, can understand your statements about SVG especially in regards to how DH benefited from SVG’s adamant temperament to do things one way which is the right way/his way. so DH doesn’t have to do any thinking but just act.  Read and React, although is said to be easy to learn, still involves real time decision making.  And, the more choices you can process before deciding in the shortest amount of time, the more effective the system is.  I guess you know where I am going with here.

    BTW, why didn’t you just post these type of writings directly to blog.

    #1014
    etane
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    Regarding fast paced, I wanted to say Don Nelson won the championship with Milwaukee but turns out that isn’t the case after googling for proof.  His Bucks got past the second around a couple of times but that’s about it.  If you’re not familiar, Nelson’s teams utilize run and gun style that emphasize fast breaks and not emphasize defense.

    The whole point of running read and react is because Houston had all young players at the beginning of the season last year with what was considered mediocre position players.  And, read and react is designed for teams without strong position players.  But, that isn’t the case anymore with asik and dh being inside specialists and the rest of the team being outside game specialists.

    So, at least philosophically, read and react doesn’t match the team’s players and abilities anymore.  Back when patterson and morris was still on the team, you had more well rounded players who, for better or worse, didn’t really specialize in anything.  So, that worked well along with parsons.

    Of course, read and react allows the coach to do nothing but yell “move the ball”.

    #1026
    alcsd
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    I don’t think Finch has much clout at all, because if he does, then Lin wouldn’t be marginalized. There is no way Finch is taking over if Mc is fired.

    The key reason fast pace doesn’t work is because key players need rest…and you need fresh legs. Stars and keys players can’t sustain playing 35-38 minutes running and gunning the same opponents in the best of 7 games. This is why a quality ISO player is so valuable in the post season, he will be able to slow down the pace.  As long as you can iso and hit decent 2s and 3s, you will always have a job in the NBA.

     

     

    #1027
    alcsd
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    They made Lin switched back to being a SG (he was a SG in college), when his true position is PG.

    #1028
    etane
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    I changed your role to “author” last week, so you should be able to post blog posts. After you’re signed in, you should see a “+ New” icon on top of screen no matter what page you’re on. Hover over the icon then chose “post”.

    I didn’t say anything about game is evolving but you mentioned it in your first post above?

    Yah just like in baseball your team will most likely win in the post seasons if you have the better starting pitcher even if the rest of the team is worse. However, Jordan’s championship teams were not only composed of a single iso player but of many capable role players and smart team defense.

    Run and gun style definitely is worse during post season when the team is already running ragged. Houston never did too well during back to back games either.

    With Patterson in Houston when read and react worked really well, scoring weren’t be the weakness but rebounds and defense in the paint were. But, they were blowing opponents out of the water with a mixture of threes and high percentage shots. So, I’d put my money on the pre-Patterson trade Rockets over the current roster if for any other reason than winning games but also more entertainment value. The passes were a thing of beauty between Patterson, Parsons and Lin.

    So, though read and react is limited, it can work well in the right hands like these three players and make it run like a faux-triangle. But, definitely won’t work with the current group of starters.

    #1048
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    Team defense wins championships.

    Looks are very deceiving, but Dennis Rodman was a very intelligent player.  He was able to think on his feet…his defense helped the Bulls a great deal.  Only he was just messed up with other extra stuff off the court.

    In the post season, a lot of games are won ugly…things of beauty doesn’t always  transcend into winning unless you have the right players  combined with a above average coach who can adjusts on the fly.

     

    #1049
    alcsd
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    I don’t hate Woody and never did, and he is a saint if you compare him to Mc.

    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/230513/Dolan-Tells-Woodson-He-Expects-Knicks-To-Win-2014-Championship

    Howard was a cry baby and a diva, but he is okay comparing to other superstars

    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/230474/DAntoni-Politics-Made-Offense-Prefer-Dwight-Over-Gasol-Last-Season

    #1051

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    Looking forward to your first!

    Dennis was good at everything except he was generally not considered a scoring threat.  Howard got 26 rebounds yesterday.  If Dennis were on the Bobcats, Howard would’ve fouled out before the end of the 2nd quarter.  Dennis was not only gifted physically but his Detroit badboy mentality carried over even after he matured and was great at taunting players especially big brawny types into fouling out.  Dennis is definitely a championship team type role player much like the birdman is on the Heat but better.

    I think Harden will probably be able to get Rodman to foul out tho with his rain dances.

    I wonder how much of what D’antoni said in the article you linked has to do with Howard no longer being on the Lakers.  Nash said some stuff about Howard after he signed with Houston about how he didn’t like doing certain things such as pick and rolls and only wanted to post up.  Well, maybe Nash wasn’t saying something bad about Howard but was speaking truth to power as we haven’t seen Howard do anything but post up.  Even catching lobs is not often done probably because of his age.

     

    #1057
    alcsd
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    You need players who are mentally tough.

    I think both Nash and Dantoni are speaking the truth.

     

    #1059
    alcsd
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    I also wanted to add that perimeter defense is the trend now because of the importance of 3s now.

    #1076
    etane
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    I thought Rodman already went over to the darkside with his cross dressing, dating Madonna and going to meet Kim Jun Il or Un don’t remember which.

    Agree with you on the mind manipulation but not sure if it would work on Harden.  The only time I ever see him irate is after he does his rain dance and doesn’t get the call.  And, he will continue to pout while the play is still going on.  I think I posted a pictured of that in one of my blog posts.

    Just checked I didn’t but I planned to before.  But here it is.

    raindance

    Think Melo is much more easier to taunt than Harden because Harden is selfish while Melo is egotistical.

    I guess you’re right about perimeter defense.  I don’t pay attention too much about how things evolved.  But, can’t imagine too much perimeter defense going on with twin tower and neither tower wants to leave the paint.

    #1088
    alcsd
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    That was not dark side, he was just messed up.  And a lot of it was just publicity. He was very flamboyant.

    I didn’t follow the Bulls and only watched a few NBA games during that time.

     

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